Pasato Prossimo

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Hajar
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Pasato Prossimo

Post by Hajar » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:30 pm

Hello all,

Can anyone please explain in which cases in Pasato Prossimo the auxiliary verb "avere" is used and in which cases "essere". So far i can't see any logic.
Or is it one of those cases when you just have to remember?

Many thanks for your help.

H.

Roby
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Post by Roby » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:20 pm

Ciao Hajar

When do you use Avere or Essere?
a. Most verbs are conjugated with Avere.
b. Memorize the verbs that are conjugated with
Essere.

Here are some things to remember.
1."dormire"(to sleep), "rispondere" (to answer), "viaggiare" (to
travel), "vivere" (to live) though intransitive require the
auxiliary "avere" ("ho dormito, ho risposto, ho viaggiato, ho
vissuto...")
2.verbs that express movement, like "venire" (to come), "andare" (to
go), "uscire" (to go out)... require the auxiliary "essere"
3. verbs that express state of being, like "essere" (to be), "stare"
(to stay), "rimanere" (to remain), "nascere" (to be born)... require
the auxiliary "essere"
4.reflexive verbs require the verb "essere"
5.the verb "piacere" requires the auxiliary "essere"

I got this from some friends some years ago. I hope that it is helpful.

VANDERTRAMP CUSP V - Passato Prossimo w/ Essere


I will write below this name vertically and the
corresponding verb will be horizontal:

V - Venire
A - Andare
N - Nascere
D - Diventare
E - Entrare
R - Rimanere
T - Tornare e (ri)tornare
R - Restare
A - Arrivare
M - Morire
P - Partire

The mnemonic above covers many of the verbs conjugated
with essere for passato prossimo ,but there are a few more too. So, to
continue:

Other verbs that use essere are Scendere, Uscire,
Salire, Crescere, Vivere, e Piacere.

Thus, using the intial letter of these verbs to create
another mnemonic: SUSCVP.......an English word that I
use sometimes is "CUSP" which means an edge, or
border, or crack. Therefore,

C - Crescere
U - Uscire
S - Salire
P - Piacere

The last two remaining verbs: Vivere e Scendere (V e
S)

Therefore, the entire mnemonic is:

VANDERTRAMP CUSP VS


Here is a Mnemonic device we are using to memorize
verbs conjugated with essere. It centers around a
fictional person's COGNOME, last name, of "Van der
Tramp".

PUNTA CERVAM

P-partire, piacere
U-uscire
N-nascere
T-tornare
A-arrivare
C-cadere, crescere
E-essere, entrare
R-reflexives, ritornare, restare, rimanere
V-venire, vivere
A-andare
M-morire

Roby

Hajar
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Post by Hajar » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:04 pm

Ciao, Roby,

Many thanks for your detailed reply. It's very usefull.

Grazie mille,

H.

Tom S. Fox
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Re: Pasato Prossimo

Post by Tom S. Fox » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:28 am

It’s quite simple, actually: You use to be with verbs that express a change of state or position. The same used to be true in English. That’s why you find phrases such as, “I am come,” and, “he is risen,” in the King James Bible. In fact, to this very day, you still say that something “is gone.”
Roby wrote:
Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:20 pm
1."dormire"(to sleep), "rispondere" (to answer), "viaggiare" (to
travel), "vivere" (to live) though intransitive require the
auxiliary "avere"
What does them being intransitive have to do with it?

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