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Post by Mindy » Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:34 pm

Ciao Tina, e benvenuta al forum! :D Spero veramente che riuscerai a ritrovare la "magica" della stagione natalizia con la tua famiglia. Qualche volte le piccole cose fanno la differenza!

Melissa - mi e' piaciuto molto sentire come sei crescuita Quaker, e le tradizioni che stai cercando di passare ai tuoi figli. Non so molto di Quakerism - appartieni a una chiesa? Le tradizioni sembrano molto semplici e belle - mi piace molto l'aspetto spirituale che spesso manca nelle celebrazioni religiose di oggi.

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Post by Roby » Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:46 pm

Mindy wrote:mi piace molto l'aspetto spirituale che spesso manca nelle celebrazioni religiose di oggi.

--Mindy
Buon punto Mindy! Sono d'accordo a te. Penso che le celebrazioni di oggi diventino piu'commercializione(commericalized). Penso che tutti abbiamo bisogno di ritornare a cosa proprio e' il significato delle celebrazioni.

Mi piace guardare i film Little Women e A Christmas Carol durante le feste perche' per me si esprimono l' aspetto spirituale delle feste.
Non era importante per ricevere i regali, comunque, passare la festa con la famiglia ( la musica, il vero significato e la fiducia)

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History of Quakerism

Post by Roby » Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:08 pm

Mindy wrote: Melissa - mi e' piaciuto molto sentire come sei crescuita Quaker, e le tradizioni che stai cercando di passare ai tuoi figli. Non so molto di Quakerism - appartieni a una chiesa? --Mindy
Found at www.quakerinfo.com
For more information visit the site.

The Beginnings of Quakerism
by Bill Samuel
Originally published July 12, 1998 at Suite101.com

George Fox is generally called the founder of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers). In the mid-17th century, he was a young man who wandered around England talking with priests, religious scholars and others seeking to find religious meaning. Generally, he found that those to whom he spoke had a lot of intellectual knowledge, but did not seem to really have a true connection with God. His Journal of George Fox reported the following experience he had after several years of this search:

And when all my hopes in them and all men were gone. . . I heard a voice which said, "There is one, even Christ Jesus, that can speak to thy condition," and when I heard it, my heart did leap for joy.
Later, Fox felt led to climb a "great hill" called Pendle Hill in northern England where he had a vision of "a great people to be gathered." He became an itinerant preacher, telling people they could learn directly from their true Teacher, Jesus Christ. Christ would convict them of their sins and provide them with the possibility of living a life free from sin.

As he was traveling across northern England, he came upon a dissenting Christian group about which there is little historical record, and even what they called themselves is unknown although they are sometimes referred to as the "Westmoreland Seekers." This group worshipped without any priests or paid leadership, settling into silence with any who felt moved by the Holy Spirit offering vocal ministry. They apparently had several congregations. Fox came to a general meeting of this group. The elders of this group examined him, and found him doctrinally sound. He then became the accepted spiritual leader of the movement. Under Fox' leadership, the group became known as Publishers of Truth and eventually the Religious Society of Friends. Thus his work of gathering a people initially involved gathering already organized groups of people.

In 1652, George Fox arrived at Swarthmoor Hall near Morecambe Bay, the estate of Judge Thomas Fell, a highly respected member of the aristocracy. Judge Fell, whose position required traveling around on a circuit, was not home, nor was his wife Margaret, an accomplished aristocratic woman who managed the estate whenever her husband was away from home. Fox talks a long time with the Fells' parish priest William Lampitt, who Fox refers to as "a man full of filth." Lampitt does not want Fox at Swarthmoor Hall.

Margaret Fell soon comes home and hears Fox. She is impressed and invites Fox to the parish church. Fox comes in as Lampitt is about to speak and asks permission to preach. As Lampitt is beholden to the Fells, he gives Fox permission. Margaret Fell finds Fox is preaching the truth she has been seeking for. Over the next three weeks, Fox stays at Swarthmoor Hall and Fell's family and servants also become convinced of the Truth.

When Judge Fell comes back, Lampitt warns him about Fox and what he perceives as Fox' dangerous influence over Margaret and others at Swarthmoor Hall. Judge Fell listens to Fox, and Margaret reports she felt the power of God go through her husband. Judge Fell never actually becomes a Friend, but allows Friends to meet at Swarthmoor Hall and serves in many ways to help protect them from persecution.

From this point, Swarthmoor Hall becomes the nerve center of the burgeoning movement. It is a place where traveling Friends evangelists came to rest and receive encouragement. Margaret administers a fund to help those imprisoned for the faith and to help meet expenses of Friends traveling in the ministry. She keeps in correspondence with the "Valiant Sixty," the traveling evangelists (men and women) and other key people in the movement. After Judge Fell's death, she marries George Fox, a marriage of equals in keeping with Friends' principles. This unites perhaps the two most important figures of the early period of Quakerism, although George is traveling or in prison during most of their married life and they spend very little time together.

I have barely touched upon the faith of early Friends, and there is much more that could be written. But I wish to keep this article reasonably short, and so will stop here. A number of writings of early Friends can be found at these two Web sites:

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Post by Angel » Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:05 pm

Mamma mia, questo è veramente bello.

Grazie mille.

I wish I could write all this in Italian, but is going to take me quite some time.

This is what I remember we normally did, when we were kids:
at night we went to the church, after that we had a big meal, then we gather around the "Nativity crib" (that we have done previously) where we sang some carols, prayers, and past midnight (since is was unknow the time when Jesus was born, we waited until midnight) then we went running to the Christmas tree to open all the gifts.

Normally we would spend these days at some relatives place or we could have some realtives spending these days at our place.

I involved lots of family having a good time together.

A presto,

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Post by Margery » Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:07 pm

Ciao Roby

Hai scritto una bella storia dei Quakers. I luoghi Pendle Hill and Morecambe Bay sono vicino a dove vivo io. Ma Pendle Hill e il posto famoso dove si hanno bruciato le streghe nel passato. Morecambe Bay e dove ai certi tempi, e possibile camminare attraverso la baia sul seabed before the sea comes in again. Non so come si dice l'ultima parte in italiano.
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Post by Margery » Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:24 pm

Ciao Mindy

Saremo in sei il giorno di natale, i miei 2 figli che sono grandi ora, i miei genitori, e il mio fratello, forse anche ci saranno i figli di lui. Come al solito io cucinero, cibo tradizionale, il tacchino etc. Il giorno dopo, penso di andare da mia madre ma io faro tutto di nuovo, perche mia madre non sta tanto bene.

Hai deciso cosa vai fare il giorno di natale - il lungo viaggio in macchina o stare a casa tua? Che scelta! Nel passato quando i miei figli erano giovani ho dovuto viaggiare molto in macchina, in aero etc, e l'ho trovato difficile, e piu semplice stare a casa.

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Post by disegno » Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:26 am

Ciao Roby, sei carina per fare tutto questa ricerca della storia dei Quaker per condividere con il gruppo. Margery, negli stati uniti, in New Jersey, ci sono altri posti chiamati Pendell Hill e Swarthmore Hall (dai posti originali in inghilterra.) In fatti, mia nonna, negli anni 1900's, era una delle prime donne di laurearsi dall'università di Swarthmore. Non c'era tante donne di andare all'università in quel tempo. (si è sposata tardi e è vissuta per novantanove anni...una donna sana e felice, non di dire intelligente! Magari possa seguire il suo esempio!)

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Non molto spirituale

Post by Margery » Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:25 pm

Ho appena visto in tv un museo di waxworks a Londra dove c'e una Nativity Scene. Quando si guarda attentamente si rende conto lentamente che le faccie di Josef e Maria sono quelle di David Beckham e la sua moglia. I 3 Magi sono Tony Blair, il principe Philip e George Bush. E sopra ciondola la cantante Kylie Minogue, come angelo, abito bianco, ali ett. E diverso, un po' strano, e forse un po' agghiacciante !!


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un albero di natale vivo o plastico

Post by Margery » Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:46 pm

Da moltissimi anni compro un albero vivo, perche mi piace l'odore ett. Quest'anno ho deciso di comprarne uno plastico, abbastanza grande di 2 metri. Quando ho aperto la scatola ho trovato 36 rami, e ogni ramo aveva 15 rametti, tutto da costruire da me stessa. Ci ha voluto piu di un'ora e mezzo per fare tutto l'albero, e dopo ho dovuto decorarlo. Forse l'anno prossimo ricomincero con alberi vivi. Comunque dopo tutti gli sforzi, l'albero e molto bello ed e pronto per il giorno di natale. :P
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Re: Non molto spirituale

Post by Angel » Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:12 pm

Margery wrote:Ho appena visto in tv un museo di waxworks a Londra dove c'e una Nativity Scene. Quando si guarda attentamente si rende conto lentamente che le faccie di Josef e Maria sono quelle di David Beckham e la sua moglia. I 3 Magi sono Tony Blair, il principe Philip e George Bush. E sopra ciondola la cantante Kylie Minogue, come angelo, abito bianco, ali ett. E diverso, un po' strano, e forse un po' agghiacciante !!


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Yes, I read about it during the weekend and this morning I read that it has been damaged in an attack.

I don't know for how long the links will work, but you can find some images, and read about it, here:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/12 ... vity.reut/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4090831.stm

A presto,

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