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julie mitchell
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belli?

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I can check please? The rules for the use of 'bello' work the same for' quello', as in they follow the article when placed before a noun, eg. un bel bar/dei bei bar - a nice bar/some nice bars. But how does Bello work when not using it before a noun? Is it possible to say 'Che belli' o 'Sono belli' when talking about someones nice trousers? Or is it always bei pantaloni?
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Peter
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julie mitchell wrote:I can check please? The rules for the use of 'bello' work the same for' quello', as in they follow the article when placed before a noun, eg. un bel bar/dei bei bar - a nice bar/some nice bars. But how does Bello work when not using it before a noun? Is it possible to say 'Che belli' o 'Sono belli' when talking about someones nice trousers? Or is it always bei pantaloni?
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Ciao Julie,

There is no form belli. Like other adjectives the endings change in the same way as the definite article - bello, bella, bei, begli, belle. So yes, bei pantaloni, bei ricordi, etc.

Quello behaves in a similar way, but the masculine plural differs depending on whether it is used as a pronoun or an adjective. As a pronoun, you use quelli, as in this example: Questi pantaloni sono miei. Quelli sono tuoi (These trousers are mine.Those are yours). As an adjective you use quei: Quello vestito (that dress); quei vestiti (those dresses).

Hope this helps.
Enrico
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Post by Enrico »

Hallo!

Just a little hint about quello in Peter's example. Quello is always pronoun. So the correct example is quel vestito not quello vestito. Quello is a pronoun, for example Ti piace questo o quello? or E' quello il quadro che ho visto.

Enrico
Dylan Thomas
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Post by Dylan Thomas »

Hi Julie.

“Bello” is a tricky adjective.
Let’s see how we usually use it in Italian.

(1) Masculine singular

a. it does not change before what grammarians call “s impura” (i.e. “s” followed by a consonant) or before gn, pn, ps, x, z:

bello spettacolo, bello zaino

b. it becomes “bel” before any other consonant or consonant cluster:

bel romanzo, bel posto, bel progetto

c. before a vowel you must leave out the final “o”:

bell’esempio, bell’amico

(2) Masculine plural

In this case we have three forms: “belli”, “begli”, “bei”

a. we use “belli” when the adjective is placed after the noun:

ragazzi belli, film belli

b. we use “begli” when the adjective is placed before a noun beginning with a vowel, or with “s impura”, gn, pn, ps, x, z:

begli alberi, begli edifici, begli stadi, begli zii

c. we use “bei” before any other consonant or consonant cluster:

bei pantaloni [your example], bei lampadari, bei trofei.

The answer to your question: “Is it possible to say 'Che belli!' o 'Sono belli' when talking about someone’s nice trousers?” is: yes, it sure is.

I’m aware it’s not that easy, though.

DT
julie mitchell
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Thank you all so much for your advice, really appreciate it, and found it very helpful. Thank You! J

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